Monday, November 21, 2005

Tongue, Cheek, and E-mail

Here is an e-mail in response to the op/ed piece I co-wrote last week:

> > From: nedludd...@....
> To: kimberly crockett
> Subject: yoo presentation
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:39:23 +0000
>
> Thank you for bringing Mr. Yoo to St. Paul. It is
> good to see the face of
> the people who advocate repealing the Geneva
> Convention for certain
> unilaterally determined groups. Let's hope our next
> enemy doesn't remember
> the Bush circumvention of the articles of war, as
> infidels we can have our heads
> removed after capture. John McCain is someone you
> should listen to, not
> the chickenhawk brigade at the White House and on
> the Hill. Boy, our
> international image is just shining thanks to the
> Bush administration and
> patriots like Mr. Yoo. FYI the war in Iraq isn't
> going well so they need
> volunteers like you and Mr. Swanson to serve either
> the reserves or a private
> company providing services in Iraq. If you truly
believe......

And my response:

Dear Nedludd...@...

The bad news is that I am too old to enlist in the
Army Reserve, as you suggest. The good news is that I
did enlist back in 1988, and am currently a major in
the Individual Ready Reserve. I trust that I now have
your approval to express an opinion. If you have any
other requests of me, just ask.

On another note, since you care about the well-being
of our armed forces in some future conflict, I guess
that makes you a hawk. I trust that you are living up
to your own standard that anyone who espouses hawkish
views must serve in the military.

Finally, it is good to see that you carefully read our
op/ed piece and the White House memos in question. It
was a refreshing change from those who missed the
point on the difference between a legal opinion on the
provisions of the Geneva Conventions, on the one hand,
and advocacy of torture, on the other.

-Peter A. Swanson

5 Comments:

Blogger Derek Jensen said...

I'm just as hawkish as any "Neocon", maybe even more so. However, I'm telling you, this whole torture rap is really hurting the US more than you think. We must keep our moral authority in the world. It's what separates us from the barbarians.

November 21, 2005 11:26 AM  
Blogger Peter said...

The torture rap may be hurting the U.S., but it is a bum rap. The best way to keep our moral authority is to challenge those who spread falsehoods.

I don't know many more ways to say that the memos do not condone torture.

November 21, 2005 11:57 PM  
Blogger Derek Jensen said...

Why were only the redneck lowlifes the ones prosecuted in the Abu Ghraib scandal?

The fish rots from the head down. The fact that the higher-ups were not called to task on this is a national disgrace. As is the keeping of enemy combatants without either trial or Geneva Conventions rights. Both of these episodes will be remembered as very dark ones in our history.

And, you know my politics. I voted for Bush. I supported and still support the Iraq war. I'm a strong friend of Israel. I would support attacking Iran, Syria, and North Korea right now; but this torture scandal is killing us.

November 22, 2005 2:47 PM  
Blogger Peter said...

The torture scandal is "killing us." Heads must roll. Nevermind evidence, because there is a Greek saying made famous by the liberal former governor of Massachusetts. Due process rights and guilt or innocence must take a back seat to our national interest -- keeping up appearances.

Wait, isn't that what the U.S. is being (unfairly) accused of? Sacrificing individual rights for some larger national interest.

If you have a specific opinion about the guilt or innocence of a specific individual, that is one thing. And it should have nothing to do with whether or not the scandal is "killing us."

November 23, 2005 12:07 AM  
Blogger Derek Jensen said...

As you know, you'll never find a stronger proponent for individual rights than me.

But, has there even been a special counsel investigation into the Pentagon higher-ups' role in sanctioning torture? How about the CIA's role in sanctioning torture.

You're sounding like an Abu Ghraib apologist.

November 23, 2005 1:30 PM  

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